Belarus girls

I have been to Belarus and you see very different type of girls here. Since the average wage is very low in European standards, there is a group of ladies whose primary aim is to get out of country no matter where. Probably they will try to jump into another adventure once they are out of country. Next, there is well educated ladies who has strong ambitions and can have a lot of opportunities in western world.

I observe that there are women everywhere and they work very hard for subsistence level wage. If I can find someone suitable I will take her for a long-term relationship.

P.S. To those 1st time in Belarus, try to avoid hanging too much with the same girl. There are many opportunities here, and the 1st one is probably not the best one.

Being here in Minsk for 2 weeks only, I can say that it is not as bad as you see from outer world. When I look at other ex-soviet Republics Belarus is one of the most advanced societies. Its neighbor, Ukraine is in a much worse condition. City of Minsk looks like a city as advanced as a Frankfurt. The streets are very clean and public transportation is excellent. Unfortunately, since government is involved in every part of economics, most public wages are standardized to subsistence level. Probably, the waitress (the 5&/%&!) who did not return my 20$ back makes more money than a professor of economics.

Being a Jew in Belarus…I know that Belarus has a great population of Jews before II. World War (Patriotic War in Belarus) However, they are not very welcome here. My neighbor was a Belarus Born Israeli Jew who lives in France. While he was born in Belarus, he had to get a visa to enter Belarus. It was a hard experience for him. I am not a Jew, but when I saw the holocoust monument, it was a thrilling experience for me. Whereas the Belorussian girl with me was very ignorant. In fact she did not want me to take a picture of it…

Thanks Osman for your honest and informative post. I know anti-semitism/Jew-h_tred or whatever you wish to call it is very prevalent in Eastern Europe. Indeed, many of my relatives risked their lives escaping Eastern Europe; first from the n_z_s, then from the communists. I know in Ukraine, Jews are very unwelcomed. I would assume that Belorussian people as a whole do not like Jews as well. It is quite a shame. Somehow, blaming Jews for all the hardships the people face seems to make them feel better rather then facing the facts that these people were responsible for their own problems and that a small minority of people were not to blame for the problems caused by the majority.

I have been contemplating visiting Eastern Europe, but with the rise in neo-n_z_sm and Jew-blaming in Eastern Europe, I think I am probably better off overall avoiding most of Eastern Europe. Perhaps, Moscow , Poland, Romania, are still feasible options, whereas Belarus, Moldova, Ukraine are very risky propositions.

As far as saying I am an American, I will introduce myself as an American Jew. I am not one of those people who likes to hide what I am and also I am not ashamed. If they want to h_te me or k_ll me, then so be it. I would be looking for a serious relationship, not some ho_ker in a bar, there are plenty of those in USA, who don’t expect a greencard, I’d rather just stay here. What’s the point of spending time in a culture, where your race is h_ted and used as a scapegoat for all their problems?

As far as $$$ to find a lady, that would not work for me. I am not a show-off, big-shot-wannabe or some guy who wants to buy off a woman. I come from a very traditional culture and have strict moral standard. Any woman who wants me would have to earn me, just like I have to earn her. I am not a man who can submit to a women, rather I’d have the woman submit to me first. The type of woman I would find would come from a religious community and/or have a strong religious or moral background. I am not into bar-girls, mail-order gold/greencard diggers, etc etc.

Most likely, I will stay single most of my life, because my standards for women are high and I am not 6,5 250lbs with a $10,000,000 bank account who will just lure any female on earth to me. I am not saying I am bad looking or poor, but being an average guy, I have to win a woman with intellect, charm, personality and, most importantly, moral/religious structure. Most women in this day and age want a playmate, not a devoted and sincere man of higher moral standard. Therefore, the final criteria is what puts me at odds with the 21st century female-gender.

I would have married an Orthodox Jewish woman, many who are very traditional and good wives, but I am a Netzarim/Messianic Jew, meaning I am a Jewish believer in Yahushua (Jesus) as the Messiah. Therefore, I have been ousted from my own Jewish community.

BTW.. Thank you for visiting the holocaust memorial.. My dead ancestors in the memorial, Thank you for caring. Especially, since you are non-Jewish.

Belarus girls

Thanks for your post Osman.. Well, religion is a center of my life. Being Muslim, I think it would be difficult to connect with Christian woman.. Obviously there are more differences, same with Buddhist, Hindu, etc. I am Messianic Jew, so I do have a bit more in common with Christians. As you said, according to Israeli Law, I am to be banned from even becoming a citizen. Of course,I would keep this silent. But I have been shunned mostly by own people. The only choice I have for marriage, as far as a spiritual women are concerned, would be with a religious-type of Christian girl.

I know you try to pursue maybe more secular girls and that is fine. It is true, women in general are bit simple-minded in many respects. They don’t like conversing about serious or deep issues and most of time just want to play, have fun or try to make an impression on a man in regards to their intellectual knowledge , as well as their social status.

I cannot live to impress women.. God comes first for me.. So, if I must put women on hold ,because I don’t tell them what they want to hear, so be it. I am not interested in finding playmates or impressing my friends with some busty or curvy looking blonde hanging on my shoulder. I know many men go to a woman to boost their egos and use the woman as a symbol of their own success.. However, as for me, I can be happy and feel successful without the need of a woman dictating my life and soul.

If Belorussian women hate me for who and what I am, then it is fine. They were never meant for me and God will give me something better, either in this life or the next.

From what you say though, it sounds like Belorussia is a good place for a history tour, but not for a Jew to mingle with locals. Thank you again Osman for your honest advice.

Shalom To You

Hello Osman,
I really appreciate your post and your last one was quite uplifting.

Now, if you may, I would like to make one correction to you last post. You said the female role is dominant, which is not true at all. Being Messianic Jew, actually I do not adhere to Talmud, but it was the Talmud that states that a person is identified as Jew through the matriarchal line. The reason this teaching was implemented, was because Jews were living around the world and usually in dire and poor conditions.

Jewish women were subjected to rape over and over again. If you look at my family, e.g., some of us look Arabic whereas others look Russian. I, myself look like a Russian, whereas my brother look almost like an Arab, yet we have same parents. The reason for our variance, is the massive amounts of rapes that took place in the villages during pogroms. So, rather than having all these children being born out of wedlock being considered foreigners, they claimed them to be as Jewish as any other. However, if men would take foreigners as wives and reject the JEwish women, some who suffered rape, then our lineage would be hampered.

However, this teaching of men marrying a non-Jew having non-Jewish children is confined to the Talmud, not the Tanakh. Even King David himself, comes from the line of a non-Jewish, Moabite grandmother. Jews would marry non-Jewish women all the time and still have their children be claimed as Jews throughout the Tanakh. The mitzvah (teaching) of Jews being matriarchal was devised later in history by Rabbis in the Talmud, as a result of the hardships I have mentioned.

Now, as far as Jewish women being allowed to marry non-Jewish men, this is only allowed amongst secular Jews. If an Orthodox Jewish woman marries a non-Jew, she is thrown out of the community. In this regard, Jews can be considered more strict than Muslims, because even if a non-Jew converts to Judaism, he still may not be allowed to marry the girl, whereas if a man converts to Islam, regardless of race, he can be accepted. Although these days, a non-Jewish man converting to Judaism, is sufficient for most communities to accept him into marriage.

You will not find any Orthodox Jewish women married to non-Jewish men. However, amongst secular Jewish women, you can find them intermarrying. But, the same can now be said for Muslim women these days too. Of course, the faith doesn’t condone it, but amongst secular people, they do not adhere to the principles of their religion. BTW, I once fell in love with Muslim woman and her family would not let me marry her, so I understand how these things work.

But a great misconception of Jews is that in fact we are a patriarchal society and have been male-dominate for ages. The Jews give honor to the Patriarchs, Avraham, Yitzhak and Ya’akov.

If you don’t believe what I am saying to you, watch the movie Fiddler on the Roof. His daughter Chava falls in love with a Russian gentile man. When Chava begs her Father for permission to marry him, he disowns her completely and angrily says she is no longer his daughter. For a Jewish woman to marry a gentile in those days was considered an outrage as you can see from the scene in this movie.

BTW.. The scenes of Fiddler on the Roof take place in old Russia, probably not far from Belarus/Ukraine. The name of the village in the movie is called Annatevka, which is not a real place.

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I watched the movies American Wedding (2003) where the entire story is about a Jewish guy married to a non-Jewish girl. I remember that when the guy’s grandmother looked at the bride, she said “Non-Jewish. Not good!” I also had a Jewish girl friend that for some reason her primary aim was to get married with a Turkish guy no matter whom. (Her ancestors leaved in Ottoman Empire long time ago) and she was a very very dominant lady. I have not seen a woman who is so smart and have such strong and powerful character. My experience can not be generalized. I might be wrong. There is surely a lot of varieties among Jewish community with different beliefs and traditions.

Neo-n_zis? Since there is not much Jews left around Europe after WWII, their hatred is mostly against other nations, particularly Turks. If I am not scared of them, there is no reason for you to be scared of them either. I do not see them around much here. I saw a couple of them on the streets and to me they look just funny and stupid. Belarus is not Ukraine or Russia. It is one of the safest countries in the world where you see policemen everywhere. I feel safer than NYC. They are the last thing I worry here.

Anyways, back to my Belarus adventures… Finally, I think I met the girl of my dreams. I know her for only a week, but I feel that we have a great connection. When I talk about simple things she is very happy and smiles all the times. However, when I talk about serious issues such as religion I can sense her lost of interest. She is an Orthodox and she says it is okay with her to marry a Muslim man as long as he is a good father.

I do not know. I am very happy here. In fact I am having the best times of my life. I notice many international people here (most of which is Turkish for some reason ) Chinese, Indian, Turkish, Arabic, American, etc. Today, I saw an old American guy with no language skills looking for love (probably through a marriage agency). If he had basic Russian skills, it would be much easier for him. Again, if I were you, I would start learning Russian as soon as possible and come to Belarus! This is a country I cannot tell, you have to come and see it!

Belarus girls